How Many Litters Can You Have A Year?
How Many Litters Can You Have A Year?
These are active pedigreed registered cat breeders talking among themselves. No names have been used. It allows the readers to get to understand about the topic about how many litters is too much per year.
Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2010 9:08 pm
I was just wondering how many litters you can have a year - if there is a limit before it's classed as farming (or whatever it's called?). I know of a ---- breeder that sold a cat 2 months ago and there is a new litter available to reserve on the web site. These were born in July. Underneath that it states that there are two more litters coming shortly - one born in late August and the other in September. I am aware that these are all different mothers but the same father cat. The breeder rents a very small mid terraced house and so the breeding conditions are not that suitable for so many cats in my opinion. Any comments?
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:02 am
I know with dogs its limited to 4 per year if you are part of the accreditied breeder scheme. But I havent seen anything in black and white for cats. IMO 4 per year - and having 4 breeding queens is not excessive at all - there are some Ive seen that are new breeders and have about 12 queens and constantly have 4 litters at a time! I think as well what you might find is a breeder will bring in a new stud boy and want to put him with all their queens to see what match produces the best progeny. I would also expect them to keep what they consider the best kitten back. I also think aslong as the conditions are clean, the cats are happy and they having plenty to occupy their time then really I dont see anything personally to worry about unless the count of cats was excessive.
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:59 am
You could be right, though it is an issue that is good to highlight and for potential owners to realise. This emphasis on numbers is not a general cat breeding trait, it appears to be a breed ---- phenomenon, of course spurred on by the high prices for kittens, especially breeding kittens. Anyone contemplating buying a kitten, should go and look for themselves and decide as to whether they are dealing with a real cat breeder who genuinely has the interests of her cats and the breed in mind, or a BYB or a kitten mill. A bit of following of any breeder's website for a while will show how many kittens they are producing. Sometimes it is too easy to be lulled by nice websites, "friendly" breeders and the choice and number of kittens that some breeders can provide, but it must also be kept in mind the lives that some of these breeding cats live, often in very cramped accommodation.
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 11:17 am
Agreed....BUT This is very similar to last weeks apparent revelation - brand new member makes dubious first post, wording it like a old pro... Valid concerns? Highlighting problems? Stirring trouble? Hidden agenda? I'd rather they do it elsewhere. And if genuine concern for the animals welfare is the reason then perhaps they should feel strongly enough to report it to the relevent authorites. Heaven forbid they limit themselves to internet fora hiding behind a pseudonym. What good would that do?
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 12:18 pm
I am a bit confused??? are you saying the original post may not be genuine? First time posters, who appear to target a breeder or a section of the breeding community, may not really be who they seem, that is true. There are enough people with agendas around to do that. And yes, if there is a welfare concern in this case, then that perhaps should be brought up with the authorities. If we ignore totally the pointed nature of the post to a particular breeder, it still raises a good point for discussion. Sometimes political correctness, stops people from saying what they truly feel. Breeding cats used to be kept in very small cages even by "proper" breeders, it was thought by some "acceptable". Raising public awareness re breeding practices and what is and isn't acceptable, can only be a good thing. If someone has a small house/flat with a tiny garden and has 10+ breeding cats, they either live in a -----, have their cats boarded out to other locations, or have them stuffed into every corner perhaps indeed in small cages, that is just common sense. It seems that large numbered catteries are looked at as being the norm in ----. Potential owners, should be aware that cats need space and if the numbers do not add up with the space available for happy lives, then perhaps a wide berth needs to be taken.
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 12:36 pm
Right thanks for explaining that ----, and yes i agree, ive seen some websites where the breeder has 10 plus queens and 4/5 studs and litters every other week, 1 in particular i know lives in a normal sized house, god knows where she puts all her kittens, cats as she has young kids too... I am happy to say all my cats breeders have been small breeders, who dont hoard queen after queen, and have litter after litter...
Wed Sep 15, 2010 7:45 pm
I wonder what others think is the maximum number of breeding queens that should be responsibly kept say in an average 3-bed semi? Bearing in mind that any stud cats are kept outdoors in enclosures with perhaps being allowed indoors for certain times of the day? Personally I think 6 queens should be the maximum number of breeding girls living in an average 3-bed house, but I agree it does seem to be the norm that 10+ breeding cats are kept by some breeders, and this does only seem to happen in the ? breed. If I had 100 breeding cats of course I would love them all the same but that doesn’t make it right for me to keep so many, as cats need their space IMO and especially queens in heat or pregnant who should ideally have enough space to be able to have their time alone and be as stress-free as possible for themselves as well as their future kittens. I have had many potential pet buyers ask me why some ? breeders have so many breeding cats when they obviously don’t have the necessary space to keep them all, but I’m baffled as to why. Perhaps because of the high price tag in the --- breed as ---- says? I do know for a fact that it puts many pet owners off from homing kittens from breeders who are over-crowded with cats. The more breeding cats you keep, the more costly the upkeep and the harder it may be to home so many litters. This is where a lot of breeders come unstuck and end up going cap in hand to other breeders or friends for financial help, or desperately try to sell pet quality kittens as breed/show potential to raise some extra cash. I’ve asked this question on here before now but I’ve never had an answer. It saddens me that some new breeders buy in as many breeding cats as they can and then they complain when they can’t sell the kittens. Downsize perhaps? Start off slowly with 1 or 2 breeding queens? It’s a no-brainer really. I just really wish in a lot of cases that the cats were put before trying to make money. It really doesn’t take a dozen or more breeding cats to produce good quality ---- kittens. It just takes careful selective breeding, and a lot of love, care, thought and commonsense.
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